Paul Jay speaks to Bill Fletcher Jr. in this last segment of our interview on whether an Obama’s presidency constitutes actual change. Fletcher says, “I worry when [Obama] starts taking shots at Hugo Chavez of Venezuela or when he is silent around the atrocities in Gaza. When he continues to imply that nothing’s off the table when it comes to Iran.” Obama is afraid the charges against him during his campaign of not being ready will come true, or that he won’t be ready for an emergency, Fletcher says. Because of this, like Clinton, he may be inclined to use military force inappropriately, but because many American support his domestic plans, they may turn a blind eye to his foreign policies.