Paul Jay speaks to Bill Fletcher Jr. in this last segment of our interview on whether an Obama’s presidency constitutes actual change. Fletcher says, “I worry when [Obama] starts taking shots at Hugo Chavez of Venezuela or when he is silent around the atrocities in Gaza. When he continues to imply that nothing’s off the table when it comes to Iran.” Obama is afraid the charges against him during his campaign of not being ready will come true, or that he won’t be ready for an emergency, Fletcher says. Because of this, like Clinton, he may be inclined to use military force inappropriately, but because many American support his domestic plans, they may turn a blind eye to his foreign policies.

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Bill Fletcher Jr. has been an activist since his teen years and previously served as a senior staff person in the national AFL-CIO; he is the former president of TransAfrica Forum, a senior scholar with the Institute for Policy Studies, and the author of numerous works of fiction and non-fiction, including ‘They’re Bankrupting Us!’ And 20 Other Myths about Unions and The Man Who Fell from the Sky. Fletcher Jr. is also a member of The Real News Network Board of Directors.