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TRNN Exclusive: The man that "shoed" Bush Pt.4

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PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome back to The Real News Network, I�m Paul Jay. We�re in Beirut. When Muntadhar al-Zaidi got out of jail in Iraq after his famous throwing of the shoe at President Bush, he had been in jail for nine months he was greeted as a hero when he left, amongst the Iraqi people. Now we�re talking about the current situation. Thanks for joining us again Muntadhar.

MUNTADHAR AL-ZAIDI, IRAQI BROADCAST JOURNALIST(SUB-TITLED TRANSLATION): You�re welcome, thank you.

Jay: So as you look ahead, at the results of these elections, what do you think comes next? And in terms of the American withdrawal, are Iraqis satisfied with the current withdrawal plan? Or do they want the Americans out sooner? And do they believe the Americans are really going?

AL-ZAIDI: Exactly. This is the main question: do Iraqis believe that the Americans will withdraw? Or, allow me to rephrase the question: will the Americans actually withdraw from Iraq? Until now, there has been no evidence of that. Instead there has been talk of �extending the withdrawal deadline of our troops, in case the insecurity continues�. Imagine this point. They are having discussions on governing our future: �if violence breaks out in Iraq, we will extend our deadline�. Imagine! From now they are setting the stage to formulate a pretext to stir trouble inside of Iraq, as they have already done before. On the other hand, they are applying pressure on the Iraqi politicians who came to power with America�s blessing. In order to get the Iraqi ear accustomed to hearing "perhaps we can negotiate some sort of extension to the American occupation, even if a few regiments or some of the divisions are maintained�. What does this mean? It means it is a planned maneuver. It means there is an agreement between the different parties: America on one side, and those America brought to power on the other.

JAY: Because the politicians, Al Maliki and some others: many of them depend on American power for their own power.

AL-ZAIDI: It�s right. The presence of the Americans in Iraq means the continued presence of the same Iraqi politicians in power. The departure of the Americans means the exit of those same political parties from the entire political system. Otherwise, the Iraqis will certainly throw them out of Iraq.

JAY: What is the state of people�s organizations in Iraq now? For example, trade unions and civil society. Are there organizations that represent the Iraqi people?

AL-ZAIDI: The Iraqi people have no one sole legitimate representative. There are foundations, there are organizations, there are governmental foundations�but do they represent the Iraqi people as a whole? No. There are non-governmental organizations, NGOs, representing a section of the Iraqi people, but not all Iraqi people. Even the foundation I have established does not represent all Iraqis. It is difficult for a person to suggest that he or she represents a people without being mandated through elections.

JAY: But are there mass organizations, like trade unions for example, that represent sections of the Iraqis, outside of the political class that is controlling the elections?

AL-ZAIDI: I�m sorry to say, there is nothing that represents all Iraqis. There are trade unions, farmers� unions, teachers� unions, lawyers� unions, etc� but, these unions have all been infiltrated by the political parties and government, or by the religious groups, or by nationalist parties, and other controlling parties in power in Iraq. Those parties infiltrated these unions and controlled them. Even the Iraqi Football Association, a sports league! But politics have even managed to get into the game and the politicians managed to dissolve it, and the rest is history. Therefore, nothing in Iraq is without political interference. And the Iraqi politics means American politics. Consequently, all of the Iraqi branches, and organizations, etc�end up with American made hurdles, bumps and obstacles.

JAY: The Sadrist movement did much better in the elections than a lot of people had predicted�the Sadrist being a much more militant opposition to the American occupation�what�s the significance of their election success?

AL-ZAIDI: If you mean to ask how the Sadrist movement managed to win so many votes, it simply demonstrates that they have a popular base in the streets of Iraq. Certainly, as I told you earlier, it is the ballot box that represents who has the popular support, and who only talks in the political saloons.

JAY: If the Americans live up to the promise of getting out by the end of 2011, the way they�ve described, are Iraqis satisfied with that? Or do they want the Americans out even sooner than that?

AL-ZAIDI: The truth is that most Iraqis wish for the American troops to withdraw today, and no later. However, since the withdrawal has become a security agreement, a sort of protocol, etc�most Iraqis hope that the occupation will terminate on deadline, and they do not want it to be postponed any longer.

JAY: Thank you very much for joining us.

AL-ZAIDI: You�re welcome, thank you.

JAY: And thank you very much for joining us, if you would like to know more about Muntadhar’s work in creating this foundation, the email address will be down below on the website, and thank you very much for joining us on The Real News Network.

For more information on the foundation created by Muntadhar al-Zaidi visit alzaidi.org

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