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    Did Bush officials hide depth of AIG problems?


    Greg Gordon: Paulson either plunged ahead without understanding AIG financials or was less "than candid" -   June 9, 2010
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    Greg Gordon, an investigative reporter, has spent 30 years uncovering waste, fraud, abuse and misconduct in Washington. Since joining McClatchy’s national staff in 2006, he has helped expose partisanship in the Justice Department and gaps in U.S. homeland security. Earlier,, he spent 13 years with the Minneapolis Star Tribune, covering the prosecution of al Qaida terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui and writing about asbestos in the workplace, money and politics, aviation, law enforcement and the environment. He also worked for The Detroit News and United Press International, where he headed its investigative team and won the 1983 Raymond Clapper award for coverage of an EPA scandal. In 1990, he and co-author Ronald E. Cohen won Sigma Delta Chi's gold medal for their book "Down to the Wire," chronicling UPI's financial collapse. In 2008, he, along with Margaret Talev and Marisa Taylor, won a McClatchy ``President’s Award’’ and Scripps Howard’s Raymond Clapper Memorial Award for Washington reporting for exposing the Bush administration’s politicization of the Justice Department. This is Gordon's second Clapper Memorial Award.

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    At the peak of the 2008 financial crisis,then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and top Federal Reserve officials urged a government loan of $85 billion to AIG so the giant insurer's temporary cash squeeze wouldn't trigger global financial chaos. Nearly two years later, taxpayers are on the hook for twice that amount, and it now appears that Paulson and senior Federal Reserve officials either didn't understand AIG's financial situation or were less than candid about one of the largest corporate bailouts in US history.

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    Did Bush officials hide depth of AIG problems?PAUL JAY, SENIOR EDITOR, TRNN: Welcome back to The Real News Network. Paul Jay, joining you from Washington. And now joining us is Greg Gordon. He's the national investigative reporter for McClatchy Newspapers, based in Washington. Done some stellar work investigating Goldman Sachs, which you can see on our site or on the McClatchy site. Thanks for joining us again.

    GREG GORDON, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, MCCLATCHY DC: Great to be here.

    JAY: So you have a story that's breaking today and over the next couple of days about AIG. What's the headline here?

    GORDON: Well, I think the headline is that at the time that AIG was rescued by the federal government, Treasury Secretary Paulson and Tim Geithner, who at the time was the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, talked a lot about AIG having a cash squeeze.

    JAY: Okay. Let's just back up a second. Let's get the moment in time clear. So we're talking the last year of the Bush presidency.

    GORDON: Yes.

    JAY: Paulson is Treasury Secretary, although Paulson had previously been president of Goldman Sachs.

    GORDON: CEO.

    JAY: CEO of Goldman Sachs. So he goes from—another one of these guys who goes from Goldman Sachs into a senior position of government. He's now running Treasury. We're in the midst of the crisis. The housing bubble is bursting. Okay, go ahead.

    GORDON: That's right. And AIG is running out of cash and is having what are known as collateral calls, demands for cash from US and European banks.

    JAY: Okay. I'm going to break in again, just for viewers, just to make sure everybody's on the same page with us. AIG is the insurance company that amongst other things insures companies like Goldman Sachs. So when they make some of these big mortgage security bets, they can go insure if they go south, and AIG's supposed to pay them if they collapse.

    GORDON: Correct.

    JAY: Alright. Go ahead.

    GORDON: AIG was the biggest insurer in the world, in fact, and it had made enormous bets on exotic instruments known as derivatives, $2 trillion worth. So on some of these bets, many of them, they were tied to the housing market, and when the housing market turned south, AIG had to start spooning out, by the billions, collateral to cover the declining value of these various securities.

    JAY: So when they give insurance on something like this, they're essentially betting that these security packages won't blow up, although one doesn't know how on earth they made such an assessment. But go on.

    GORDON: They figured the housing market hadn't really gone down for 50 years, so it would just keep going up. That was, I believe, basically the model that they were following. So, at any rate, they've got all these collateral calls, but the fact was that AIG had suffered massive losses, tens of billions of dollars in losses, in various investments, including in the subprime mortgage security market. So in comes the government to rescue AIG and try to hold the pieces of the financial system together with a huge injection of cash, starting at $85 billion. And this was presented by Secretary Paulson and by Tim Geithner, who was going to be his successor but was still heading the regional Federal Reserve Bank in New York, as a cash squeeze. And that's how it was sold, partly because of the way the law was framed at the time, covering what the Fed could do in terms of lending money to all these big financial institutions.

    JAY: The distinction here is that if there'd been a problem of actual solvency, if AIG might be on the verge of going bankrupt, then the government may not have had the authority to go and bail them out, so they say it's a cash flow problem.

    GORDON: Well, the legal experts say that the real issue was: did AIG have good collateral to post? If they were going to borrow $85 billion from the federal government, did AIG have enough security to put up those loans to protect the taxpayers? At any rate, this is how it was sold. It was described as a rescue, not a bailout, initially, by Secretary Paulson, and he writes about that in his book. And here we are now, we're 20 months, 21 months out, and what we have in our hands is a colossal mess that's going to cost taxpayers upwards of $50 billion at the worst case—and maybe worth more than that now that the sale of one of its plum Asian insurance assets has collapsed. That just occurred. And so we were sold on the idea that AIG had good collateral, would be able to pay back the government. But the Office of Management and Budget, the Congressional Budget Office are projecting losses to taxpayers of $36-$50 billion. Was this necessary anyway, because the financial system was going to crumble without the saving of AIG? This will be a debate that will go on for decades as people look back on the worst economic crisis since the Depression.

    JAY: Elizabeth Warren is heading up a commission, and she's looking into this. But is part of that—a couple of questions. One is the executives of AIG cashed out personally, if I understand it correctly, with some of these great, enormous bonuses that we've seen on other parts of Wall Street. So while they're managing calling something a cash squeeze and not a solvency issue, they're actually personally making millions of dollars. And then the second issue is: does Paulson himself know that this is actually all really going towards a great collapse, and manipulating the law in order to not just get money to AIG, but is it really money from AIG that's actually really going to Goldman, his former company?

    GORDON: Well, that's a big question, what did Hank Paulson know, because he was certainly wired into Wall Street, having come from there. I took apart 20 of AIG's insurance subsidiaries, looking at their financial regulatory filings with state insurance departments, and what we found is a spaghetti-like maze of interconnections between these companies, some of them insuring their sister companies for over $100 billion in policy obligations, some of them guaranteeing policy obligations. And in addition they owned $22 billion in their affiliates' stock, which couldn't be traded on any exchange; yet these stock holdings would be listed as part of their surpluses. So you can see how shaky the underpinnings were of this gigantic company. The word at the time from state and federal regulators was there's not a problem with the insurance companies; it's the parent company that did the speculating on various investments; the insurance companies are solid.

    JAY: Because if these affiliated insurance companies were actually also on the edge of insolvency, it might have been another factor towards the government not being legally able to bail out AIG.

    GORDON: That's right.

    JAY: So are we looking at potential fraud here? Is that what the bottom line is?

    GORDON: Well, there are people out there who do feel that this was a fraudulent claim against the government, this whole deal, this rescue. I don't think we're likely to be going there in a big way, although there is an ongoing investigation by the special inspector general, Neil Barofsky, who is in charge of investigating and tracking the use of bailout money, and he's looking at some of these offshore securities that Wall Street firms had bought protection from AIG on. And when everything was settled out and all the billions of dollars in tax dollars were paid out, the Fed, being the taxpayer, ended up owning tens of billions of dollars of those securities. Sixty-two billion dollars was paid—the full face value of securities held by US and European banks—in just one set of deals.

    JAY: Now, the period we've been talking about's been under President Bush. But is the Obama administration trying to really unravel this? Or are they carrying on more of the policies that essentially existed under Bush?

    GORDON: Well, at this point it looks as if you're in for a penny, you're in for a buck. It looks as if the government is going to stick behind AIG and hope that it's able to sell off assets. The Treasury Department's chief restructuring officer, Jim Millstein, voiced an air of optimism at this recent oversight hearing when he said that it's possible the taxpayer still could be repaid. Now, that's based on a statement from AIG's CEO, Robert Benmosche, who said that he thinks he can get AIG back to the point of earning $8 billion, $7 or $8 billion a year in profits, and Mr. Millstein said, well, if he can get to $8 billion a year, taxpayers will be repaid. But the outstanding debt today is $132.5 billion. That's how much money AIG has borrowed from the taxpayers.

    JAY: And just as a final point, when we keep hearing how the banks have repaid most of the money, it often doesn't get said that a lot of money they use to repay most of the money was taxpayers' money funneled through them through AIG. So, I mean, there's this great loop of taxpayer money supposedly repaying themselves.

    GORDON: It's like a recirculating pump or something.

    JAY: Thanks for joining us, Greg.

    GORDON: It's my pleasure.

    JAY: Thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.

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