Western media, along with thousands of Iranians protesting around the world, have formed a rough consensus over the six days since Iran's presidential election that Ahmadinejad's victory was the result of widespread fraud. However, a recent op-ed in the Washington Post references a rare public opinion poll in suggesting that the election may indeed have been fair. While there is not enough information to determine whether or not the election was rigged, this poll certainly doesn't rule out the possibility. If only because the poll's authors concluded prior to the election that the very same data predicted a relatively close vote. Yet today, those same authors are claiming that their figures demonstrate the validity of Ahmadinejad's landslide victory.
Comments from Registered Members | (Register or log in to make your comment.) | theali 2009-07-03
Here are some videos showing how fraudulent ballots were generated. This is in response to claims that if there were large scale rigging there would be a visible footprint. And here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6nPCO4i3PA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFAUJ6zvVrc (only from the 1:30 of the video we can see a person filling multiple ballots, first half is a regular voting procedure) | kjohn810 2009-07-01
arashkhan, not what Dart said . . . he said "jewish handlers" not Israeli as you say. I think we now know where Dart is coming from. | arashkhan 2009-06-22
cont'd: ...about pure mohammedic islam to the country (whatever that means). whatever you want to call nwo has existed for sometime in iran and people are tired of it... anything is possible in iranian politics and there are eye witnesses that say the votes were counted, or changed, or not enough ballot sheets were provided for all polling stations and some were out of ballot sheets for half of the election day. dont doubt the public opinio and people's common sense, they know what their leaders are capable of | arashkhan 2009-06-22
@ dart
hey agreed i know there is a lot propaganda there. i believe there is a strong israeli factor and i know there is a lot plan. for god sake there is video out there claiming that ahmadenejad is a jew. but being an iranian i know what its like live day after day in that country. people overall at least in my neighborhood have decent lives and get by. the problem is that for thirty years people have not even been able to enjoy individual freedom let alone political and freedom of expression. forget that. couples want to walk down the street wiithout being harassed... young ones want to through a birthday party without the fear of getting busted for being happy. this has been the case for the past thirty years and just when it was getting a tiny bit in khatami time, ahmadenejad took the country backwards.i don't know about his other secret agendas or what else is going on but is saw a video clip of him with high ranking clerics before the elections, claiming he wants to bring abou | dart 2009-06-21
Do the young Iranians with their PC`s and mobiles have a clue what their jewish controllers are really like?Do they know about the standing prison Kissinger was so proud of,the mossad trained SAVAK and the theft of their country`s natural wealth.Stupid Twits!http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1245184859494&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull | dart 2009-06-21
The Washington Post is owned by the judaic Graham family.As we know from PJ`s TRNN items from a few weeks back there is widespread ackowledgement of considerable jewish influence in the american media.
The two researchers who conducted 1000 plus telephone interviews predicting MA victory did so for a Rockefeller Tax Free funded outfit.Netanyahoo is a George Shultz (ie. Rockefeller) protege.Kissinger,Brzezinski and of course Obama are all Rockefeller sponsored and compliant.The Rockefeller family conrol CFR and of course took control of US media after WW1.MSM US media is rubbish. | theali 2009-06-21
To anyone who still doubts that there was an election fraud, read this Washington Post article, in which the authors say the election results have a one in two-hundred chance of being legitimate. The same Washington Post that was saying the opposite has shifted its position. Get on with the times, topics, now we have a humanitarian issue on our hands. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/20/AR2009062000004.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 | PatM 2009-06-21
Why is the US Media claiming "100s of thousands" protesting out of tens of millions constitute some sort of majority? When 1 million mexicans occupied the center of Mexico city for WEEKS there wasn't a peep in the media. Whats the difference? A US Backed candidate won the Mexico election while The Iranian candidate is not a US Lackey.
| PatM 2009-06-21
Ok, the propaganda is falling apart. Photographs of an Ahmadinejad rally are being used by newspapers but reported as being ANTI Ahmadinejad rally. The LA Times didn't even bother to crop Ahmadinejad out of the picture while the BBC zoomed in to leave him out.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/iranprop.php
Don't believe a word of what you hear in the media over here. | sunrise 2009-06-20
There were 5 overthrow democratic elected prime minister in Thai until the Ivy League graduate brain washed, programmed new prime minister took the seat with invisible financial hand of west. There were 24/7/365 overthrow all over south east Asian, middle east, south-centre American to elected a west Ivy League programmed, brain washed elite to take office to benefit the west world financial grabbing against their own people. Do not forget the Hugo Chavez’s presidency election. West throw him out of the office by affluent west purchased supporters put a puppy in president seat. Until Hugo’s indigenous people tool back the president seat. Thanks for Paul Jay for the public forum to post web address and articles. Support the real news is to promote the true democracy and real peace without agenda and profit oriented goals. | sunrise 2009-06-20
Democracies, Freedom are slogans used to pillage the resources on 4 corner of the third world. Mir-Hossein Mousavi's president candidate sold out by foreign investors, namely US. British and west world.. Stamped with concede of the Catholic Church. The church is an instrument and ammunition to steal, rob the third world resources. Red-cross, “Care”, Peace organization (all are political organizations in civilian outfit) churches, religious are soft weaponry for the only agenda of profiteering on the name of Christ and peace. They are all CIA’s underground outlet to depleting the resources around the world. Read “Politics and the Catholic Church in Nicaragua” and Google “Lauren Monet”. Not one country around the world that the presidency elections were not controlled and manipulated by US and the west to secure a pro-west leader and to deplete the resources, Iran’s oil can not let go by the west. So, Mousavi needs to take control. Iran’s election just another US doing. There were 5 ove | dart 2009-06-20
Theali.I dont understand the MA problem on foreign policy.MA has been helpful and supportive with the US over Iraq.In 2003 proposals of co-operation were made to Bush and ignored but in 2007 Iran brought about a cease fire.Are not the problems of negotiation on the US/Israeli side when they will neither apologise for the overthrow of Iran`s democracy,nor apologise for shooting down a civilian aircraft and censures support for democratically elected Hamas.How does Moussavi differ on these matters.Is he strident on Iranian sovereignty or does he want to trade it for sanctions removal bearing in mind he, like Obama, is only the monkey and not the organ grinder. | dart 2009-06-20
Theali thanks for your response.In the UK the opressive nature of the Islamic Revolution is well known through ex pats who came mainly in the 1970`s so the need for reform is quite understandable.Why does`nt MA respond to those pressures? Would reforms not also be in the interests of his base of poor rural voters too?(Has Moussavi produced a mandate on line for all to see.)These should be internal issues but why are imperialist nations who support dictators,ethnic cleansing and worse showing such concern for the more priveleged classes of Iran? Is it out of concern for the loss of liberties for some of the people or to effect a regime change?How would Moussavis`s foreign policy change from MA?We are not properly informed on these issues.(Cont) | dart 2009-06-20
Gabriel White.Thankyou for posting the Engdahl piece.His book Century of War is essential for understanding US politics.I also recc. Yergin`s `The Prize`-the history of oil.Better than a detective novel.Engdahls account fits with a biography in which Phlavi stated he was aware the west wanted him out.Also that the imperialists continually asked him to raise the oil price.He had hoped that the UK would give him a home but the soon to be elected Thacher declined fearing public outrage.The ME balkanisation started with the YK War in 73 promoted by Kissinger.Thacher would soon be in bed with the Saudis` black weapons cash for the destruction of Afghanistan-Khomeni was supportive.(the entire `73 Bilderberg document should still be available at Deepblacklies.com) | theali 2009-06-20
Dear dart, First of all, the crowd that is protesting now, is not the type that can be brought to risk their lives for a puny sum of money. Their basic freedoms are taken away from them. They feel censored and belittled by a bunch of idiots that are totally disassociated from reality. Second the west would prefer anyone other than MA, because negotiating with him would be the same as negotiating with Kim Il-sung. One step forward, two steps back! | dart 2009-06-20
Arashkhan.The main reason people outside Iran and I suspect inside that country don`t understand what`s going on is that there is no hard evidence given.Where is the proof of electoral fraud?Street protesting is not proof of anything and we know how Kermit Roosevelt, smuggled in the trunk of a car, was able to foment riot and with the help of some cash brought about the fall of a democratically elected leader.This is more than a generation ago but how many young Iranians and Westerners know that this act of treachery founded the Tehran compound as the heart of the OSS (later CIA) from which American imperial agression eminated world-wide.The replacement of this intelligence centre is of course the massive `embassy` in Baghdad. | dart 2009-06-20
Would any Iranians posting here either in the country or with access to home information and comment explain why in the opinion of their pro Moussavi contacts and pro MA contacts they think the US and UK strongly favour a Moussavi victory and how they might gain from it if at all?Also how aware are the protesters of CIA/Mi6 pysops and funding of insurgents in outlying regions? | dart 2009-06-20
Runiter.Yes Mousavi would continue peaceful nuclear programme just as it was started with western support under the Sh*t.Demonising MA on the phoney N bomb is simply a scam to remove him and justify war if needed to take control of the country Iraq style.In particular the US want to destroy Shia democracy as an alternative to their dependant client states,remove any opposition to the ethnic cleansing of Palestine,prevent Iran from uniting with SRO,block any pipeline routes to China via Pak.,ensure that Russia has no access to warm water ports etc etc.. etc. etc.. | dart 2009-06-20
Iran is a pivotal country in the neo-con playbook.The US has been sticking its greedy nose into that country as soon as the sun started to set on the Brutish empire.$400 million invested in the destabilsation project is cheaper than war.If Moussavi is the west`s choice then what`s in it for them?A war, allegedly more likely with MA as leader, would be far more costly and would radicalise the country further.Has Moussavi and his corrupt mega rich boss outlined whether he sees Iran as part of the SRO at which meeting Iran attended as observers or as pro West stooge sitting on `europe`s energy resources` as arrogantly described by Proser Israel`s ambassador to the UK on their pro Israel state radio.( Recc. Craig Roberts article at Counterpunch) | dart 2009-06-20
http://www.politics.ie/foreign-affairs/77129-ahmadinejad-wins-again-40.html#post1792862 See video here that explains some of the CIA intervention though a TRNN follow up on Gen Beigs` documents claim would be useful.I concur absolutely with drcc our UK role in this is shameful.The media rightly emphasises women/human rights etc. but ignores support for Wahabi regime-the usual double standards.Do young affluent,educated,computer savvy Iranians know about declared CIA intervention and how their greivances are being exploited for the imperialist ambitions?Do they seriously think the CFR care about womens rights or do they dream of the day when the Abadan refinery staff return upstream to the tune of Colonel Bogey. |
Does US poll rule out fraud in Iran? JESSE FREESTON, TRNN: In the days following Iran's controversial presidential election, a loose consensus has developed among much of the world's English-language media that incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his allies stole the election in an act of widespread fraud. Investigative journalist Robert Parry, who gained fame for his work uncovering the Iran Contra scandal in the 1980s, pointed out the irony in this enthusiasm: "It also has been curious to see US news organizations care suddenly about legitimate elections when most of them ignored, ridiculed, or covered-up evidence that George W. Bush stole the US presidential election in 2000 and possibly in 2004 as well," adding that "Iran's religious leaders now have ordered an investigation of the fraud. . . . That is more than Americans got in 2000 and 2004." This announced investigation has done very little to calm the unrest in Iran, as droves of supporters of both presidential candidates continue to fill the streets. On Wednesday, former interior minister and current member of the Iran's election oversight committee, Ali Akbar Mohtashami-Pur announced that over 70 polling stations have recorded more votes than eligible voters, including one station in which 140 percent of eligible voters have voted. It should be noted, however, that Mohtashami is a supporter of the defeated Mousavi. An op-ed published on Monday by The Washington Post has caused many media outlets to question their support for the fraud theory. The piece was written by Ken Ballen and Patrick Doherty, directors of a rare countrywide public opinion poll that was taken in Iran three weeks prior to the election. The poll was a joint project of the New America Foundation and Terror Free Tomorrow, a Washington-based think tank with powerful US politicians on its advisory board, many of which have publicly endorsed US military intervention in Iran, including former Senate majority leader Bill Frist and Senator John McCain. The authors of the op-ed claim that their polling results support Ahmadinejad's landslide victory numbers, and their conclusions are now being quoted widely. However, when they first released the data only four days before the election, their conclusions were quite different, quote, "... it appears that none of the presidential candidates will pass the 50 percent threshold needed to automatically win," thereby triggering a second-round runoff ballot, while Friday's results gave Ahmadinejad almost two-thirds of the first-round votes. Furthermore, the report added that "A close examination of our survey results reveals that the race may actually be closer than a first look at the numbers would indicate." This is due to the fact that a full 49 percent of the respondents were either undecided or refused to answer the question of which candidate they would vote for. Yet on questions regarding government policy, a strong majority appeared to reflect the values espoused by Mousavi, not Ahmadinejad. The poll clearly shows a strong Ahmadinejad lead, but contrary to the authors' op-ed, it does not support the landslide first-round victory observed last Friday.DISCLAIMER:Please note that TRNN transcripts are typed from a recording of the program; The Real News Network cannot guarantee their complete accuracy. |
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