NO ADVERTISING, GOVERNMENT OR CORPORATE FUNDING
DONATE TODAY


  March 11, 2014

Government Officials To Spy on Workers With Secret Clearance


Former NSA analyst and whistleblower Kirk Wiebe says potential whistleblowers will be silenced with new mass surveillance system
Members don't see ads. If you are a member, and you're seeing this appeal, click here
   



audio

Share to Facebook Share to Twitter



I support The Real News Network because it is not Conservative, it is not Liberal; it is Real. - David Pear
Log in and tell us why you support TRNN


biography

Kirk Wiebe is a former NSA Senior Intelligence Analyst and an NSA Whistleblower who worked with NSA for more than 32 years, and was awarded that Agency’s second highest award, the Meritorious Civilian Service Award. He retired from NSA in October 2001 along with fellow NSA whistleblowers Bill Binney and Ed Loomis.


transcript

Government Officials To Spy on Workers With Secret ClearanceJESSICA DESVARIEUX, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Jessica Desvarieux in Baltimore.

The Associated Press has learned that federal agencies are planning to continually monitor workers with secret clearances. The AP reports that their goal is to, quote, identify rogue agents, corrupt officials, and leakers. The program would reportedly affect 4 million employees.

Now joining us to discuss these latest revelations is Kirk Wiebe. He is a former NSA senior intelligence analyst and an NSA whistleblower who worked with the NSA for more than 32 years.

Thank you for joining us, Kirk.

J. KIRK WIEBE, FORMER SENIOR INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, NSA: Jessica, it's good to be with you today.

DESVARIEUX: So, Kirk, I'm just going to present to you the counterargument here, because you're going to have people hearing this story saying this is what people signed up for, essentially. If you have top security clearance, you should expect that the government is going to monitor what you do. What's your response?

WIEBE: No, this is different, Jessica. This isn't what we signed up to. When you join the intelligence community, you actually become a member of a huge organization that goes beyond the boundaries of individual agencies to the very Constitution itself. We're all sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. And that runs from the seniormost person, whether it's the director of an agency, all the way down to the lowliest employee on the GS scale, government service pay scale, right down to a GS1, someone who mops the floors or whatever. So it's a bond, and it's a promise of loyalty, and it's a promise of I'll take care of you and you take care of me, we're in this thing together, let's win the war for freedom. This undermines that whole premise.

DESVARIEUX: And how does it do it?

WIEBE: Well, it's--historically I would point back to what the German SS did, what the Gestapo did, what the East German Stasi did. Pick your favorite secret police organization. It says there are a certain elite group--and this would, of course, be the leadership. Now, they haven't defined the leadership, but I would presume it would be heads of agencies, their senior staff, probably down to some GS level on the pay scale, maybe everybody above GS15, what we call the senior executive service, the highest-paid in government. And I'm sure the congressional committees would be exempt and other members of the executive branch. So it now puts a marker, a line of separation between us, the workers, and them, the leaders. And it says, we the leaders are going to spy on you, we're going to treat you as though you are a potential terrorist or a potential cheat or a potential whistleblower, whatever, you name it, and we're going to monitor everything you do 24 hours a day, seven days a week, every day of the year.

DESVARIEUX: Kirk, I'm glad you mention potential whistleblowers, because I want to get your take. Do you see this surveillance having an effect on whistleblowers shedding light on corruptions and things like that?

WIEBE: Oh, absolutely. This is going to shut the door. This will shut the door. And, in fact, it may have an unintended consequence, Jessica, in the very short term, near term. What I mean is if there are any whistleblowers in the intelligence community sitting there right now who have not yet blown the whistle, potential whistleblowers, but who are aware of unfairness, wrongdoing, corruption, behavior that's anti-Constitutional in any way, this may actually force them to come out and blow the whistle sooner, rather than wait until this legislation is in place.

Right now my understanding is this is not in place, but it is something that's being seriously planned to be done. So we shall see about that.

DESVARIEUX: Alright. Kirk Wiebe, thank you so much for joining us.

WIEBE: My pleasure, Jessica. Thank you.

DESVARIEUX: And as you know, you can always follow us on Twitter @therealnews. And please send me questions and comments @Jessica_Reports.

Thank you so much for joining us on The Real News Network.

End

DISCLAIMER: Please note that transcripts for The Real News Network are typed from a recording of the program. TRNN cannot guarantee their complete accuracy.



Comments

Our automatic spam filter blocks comments with multiple links and multiple users using the same IP address. Please make thoughtful comments with minimal links using only one user name. If you think your comment has been mistakenly removed please email us at contact@therealnews.com

latest stories

Climate Catastrophe Is Here: 2016 Hottest Year on Record
Baltimore Public School Funding Pales in Comparison to Private Education Spending
Rattling the Bars: Women and Incarceration
Trump-Republican Alliance in Disarray?
Defending the Climate in the Age of Trump
"Wealthcare" Defeated: Health Care For All Back on the Agenda
Baltimore Mayor's Veto of $15 Wage Protects Policy of Subsidizing Wealthy, Councilperson Says
The Truth Behind the War on Immigrants
Were Haitian Police Behind Assassination Attempt on Aristide?
New Provisions Eliminate Healthcare From GOP 'Wealthcare' Bill
Why Further Revelations on Trump's Russian Connections Might Fail to Bring Him Down
18 Million U.S. Citizens Exposed to Lead-Contaminated Water Systems
Russia vs. USA: Who is the Threat, Who is the Aggressor? (2/2)
Should Sanders Continue the Fight Outside the Democratic Party?
Fed Inflation Target Keeping Wages Low, People Out of Jobs
Is Trump Dangerous for Russia?
Was the Georgian Conflict Started to Elect John McCain President in 2008? Pt.1
Will the NDP Adopt Pro-BDS Platform?
Massive Cuts to EPA Threaten Communities Already Suffering From Pollution, Climate Change
Whistle Blower Teacher Says Charter Schools Draining Students, Resources from Public Education
Trump's Budget Targets Climate Change Spending Across All Federal Agencies
US Has Interfered in More Elections Than Any Other Nation
Maryland Democrats Push Back Against Gov. Hogan's Support for ACA Repeal
Russia vs. USA: Who is the Threat, Who is the Aggressor? (1/2)
Democrats Fail to Dig into Trump's Shady Financial Ties During Hearing
Why is the Capitalist West Fighting with Capitalist Russia?
Baltimore City Council Passes Historic $15 Minimum Wage
UN Report Finds Apartheid Exists Within Israel
Neil Gorsuch's Woeful Record on Civil Rights
Federal Judge Orders Civil Rights Lawsuit Against Pocomoke, State of MD to Move Forward

TheRealNewsNetwork.com, RealNewsNetwork.com, The Real News Network, Real News Network, The Real News, Real News, Real News For Real People, IWT are trademarks and service marks of Independent World Television inc. "The Real News" is the flagship show of IWT and The Real News Network.

All original content on this site is copyright of The Real News Network. Click here for more

Problems with this site? Please let us know

Managed Wordpress Hosting