William K. Black, author of THE BEST WAY TO ROB A BANK IS TO OWN ONE, teaches economics and law at the University of Missouri Kansas City (UMKC). He was the Executive Director of the Institute for Fraud Prevention from 2005-2007. He has taught previously at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin and at Santa Clara University, where he was also the distinguished scholar in residence for insurance law and a visiting scholar at the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics.
Black was litigation director of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, deputy director of the FSLIC, SVP and general counsel of the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, and senior deputy chief counsel, Office of Thrift Supervision. He was deputy director of the National Commission on Financial Institution Reform, Recovery and Enforcement.
Black developed the concept of "control fraud" frauds in which the CEO or head of state uses the entity as a "weapon." Control frauds cause greater financial losses than all other forms of property crime combined. He recently helped the World Bank develop anti-corruption initiatives and served as an expert for OFHEO in its enforcement action against Fannie Mae's former senior management.
KAYLA RIVARA, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Kayla Rivara in Baltimore. And welcome to this latest edition of The Black Finance and Fraud Report. Now joining us is Bill Black. Bill is an associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. He's a white-collar criminologist and a former financial regulator. He's also author of the book The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One. And he's a regular contributor to The Real News. Bill Black, thank you so much for joining us.BILL BLACK, ASSOC. PROF. ECONOMICS AND LAW, UMKC: Thank you.RIVARA: So right now it looks like JPMorgan is set to pay a possible $2.6 billion in settlements, this time pertaining to the Bernie Madoff situation. Can you give us the latest on this and what it really means for enforcing accountability on Wall Street firms?BLACK: Yeah. It's a brand-new year, but it's the same old JPMorgan and the same old Justice Department. And so we have JPMorgan in what is about the 12th massive fraud scheme, measured by causing losses of well over $100 million. In this case, it helped--contributed to losses of well above $20 billion, though it's going to be allowed to settle for about $2.5 billion. About $1.7 billion goes to the Justice Department, about $250 million goes to the financial regulator, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and about $500 million goes to the individual civil plaintiffs who say they were defrauded by Bernie Madoff. Now, the Justice Department money will flow through to the victims of the Madoff fraud. What's this all about? It's that JPMorgan Chase knew--first, it served as the principal banker of Madoff. And second, it knew that Madoff had violated a whole series of things that should have led JPMorgan to alert the Justice Department through a criminal referral of likely criminal action. In fact, a JPMorgan executive said that what was going on was almost certainly a Ponzi scheme. On top of that, JPMorgan alerted the British banking authorities, but not only didn't alert the U.S. banking authorities; it stonewalled them and worked very hard to keep them from learning about the Madoff frauds. And when the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the federal regulator for JPMorgan, finally learned about this stuff and went to JPMorgan to get the information they had so that they could try to put together whether Madoff was engaged in a Ponzi scheme, JPMorgan refused to give the information and the Justice Department refused to enforce the subpoena.So, accountability? Not so much. No criminal action, no individual defendants are going to pay anything at JPMorgan. Nobody's going to lose their job at JPMorgan. Nobody's going to lose their bonus at JPMorgan. And the Justice Department is crowing about another massive victory, because they got fairly big bucks, but, of course, compared to the losses caused, fairly small bucks as well. So, new year, same old same old.RIVARA: So from here there's nothing to be expected? Are there going to be any more proceedings, legal proceedings with this? Or is it a closed case?BLACK: It's a deferred prosecution agreement, which is a lot of big words for we ain't going to prosecute you. And officially, two years from now it will all go away and it'll be as if the Justice Department was never involved.RIVARA: Well, Bill Black, thank you so much for joining us.BLACK: Thank you.RIVARA: And thank you for joining us on The Real News Network.
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