Under pressure from the Obama administration, the House Energy and Commerce Committee has put forward its proposal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the US. The plan calls for the creation of a cap-and-trade market, as the mechanism to begin reducing the United States' greenhouse gas emissions. While the US currently produces roughly 20% of the world's annual emissions, the new bill won't see US emissions drop below 2005 levels until 2026. James Handley from the Carbon Tax Center believes not only that cap-and-trade is a flawed system in general, but that the current plan has been made even worse by way of concessions to the energy companies, big coal in particular. The result is a bill, according to Handley, that is left unlikely to achieve needed emission cuts, likely to create serious financial instability, and incapable of protecting the most vulnerable from its intended hike in energy prices. BioJames Handley is the Washington, DC representative for the Carbon Tax Center. A trained chemical engineer and lawyer, Handley worked for years as an enforcement attorney with the Environmental Protection Agency. A lifelong member of the Sierra Club, Handley has published in the Environmental Law Reporter, the Washington Post, and the New Yorker.
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Cap and trade is as American as apple pie:
1) It can be gamed and manipulated.
2) It creates a rich speculative market for Wall Street titans.
3) It creates the illusion of a no-cost solution.
What's not to like? | horsefethrs 2009-05-27
runter, You sem to have been brainwashed by the globalists who promote taxing everybody for "Breathing". Carbon dioxide is a NATURAL element most of whcich is produced by the oceans look up the global warming Scam, research and you will see the truth. NO I will not pay a tax on Breathing, it's totally ridiculous. Only a moron would think that breathing and putting out what we naturally put out is causing the earth to warm up beyond it's normal ups and downs. Explain the warming that happens on ALL planets because of the sun...are our "Carbon" emissions causing warming on these planets too?...don't be so stupid. | WalkerR 2009-05-27
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Bravo to Mr. Hansen--he is exactly right: a carbon based tax is the only way to reduce emissions, incentivize green R&D AND bolster the economy. I hope that Ways and Means continues to look at this alternative to cap and trade. | dart 2009-05-26
Obama`s cap and tax to fund a typically american techno fix will not work.For example wind power requires 70% back-up from conventional sources.To supply the US would require the entire atlantic coast dozens of turbines deep.Also there is not enough water to wash off the dust from square miles of photo voltaic panels in the deserts.First step must be demand destruction but obama`s wall street massas will see he delivers a tasty derivatives bubble.Plus ca change. | runiter 2009-05-26
DJ2008, advocating global warming won't discourage chinese competitors from investing on oil, China's own demand for oil won't diminish if USA's dependency on oil decrease. This only decreases the demand in USA and will result in lower price thus less profit for Exxon. Now even if Exxon somehow does profit from it, that's totally irrelevant to this discussion. I like to breath in a clean air and I want that for my children and their children and as well. | Swansen 2009-05-25
lol, if you don't think global warming is real by now, your crazy. Yes, its a natural thing, but NOT AT THIS RATE. To think we don't have an effect on global warming is just stupid. Europe has been "green" minded for a decade now. | DJ2008 2009-05-25
runiter, what you don't realize is that the hyper-wealthy Rockefeller interests (i.e. founders of Chevron and Exxon) are behind the 'Global Warming' agenda, and they and their cohorts have more money than is countable. They wish to block Chinese/Russian/Indian gains in global oil and gas grabs, and thus sell the Warming warnings to other nations while planning on appropriating as much oil themselves as possible. Your comparison is thus ill-informed... | LiberalChiroDoc 2009-05-25
Setting up DERIVATIVES on Cap and Trade? Sounds like another economic bubble on the horizon....false wealth, increase economic equality, and another crash in 20015.... | sunrise 2009-05-25
a must watch "Alex Jones Show 2009-03-03 Richard C. Cook, Rep. Daniel Itse, Paul Ingram. Pl support Paul Jay/the real news, few of the forums that provide web address to inform the public of vital info. that the youtube will not allowed. See obama’s agenda:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7535755025025800195; http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm; Thomas J. DiLorenzo: Truth About the 14th Amendment, Kirwan: FEMA — The Plan to Kill America
•Control of Government, Eliminate Taxes, Ed Lewis: Who's the boss in America? www.CindySheehansSoapbox.com.Paul Jay said 50,000 people each donate $10.00 a month, we can make the difference. Pl. help. | jinveninato 2009-05-25
Please google "700 scientists dissent global warming" and "2009 international conference on climate change." Eye openers....
| runiter 2009-05-25
Open your eyes horsefethrs. Use your logic. Do you really think that we can keep polluting the air and just get away with it? Do you think those scientists who claim polluting the air won't warm up the planet actually make any sense? Most those scientists get paid by the oil companies. Who has more money to buy out scientists? The environmentalists or the corporations? This is TRUTH, you just don't want to believe it because you don't want to pay the carbon tax. | horsefethrs 2009-05-25
First of all let's see who this "Handley" is, a representative of the Carbon Tax Center, the first conflict of "Interest", next, the EPA, we all know how corrupt this "Agency" is, then we have the Sierra Club, an organ of the United Nations Agenda 21 garbage. Population control and total loss of sovereignty under the "New World Order". How about all those Scientists who have proven that "Carbon" emissions causing "Global Warming" is a scam. I thought Real News was about the "TRUTH"? why are you still peddling this scam as if any of it were legitimate? | agstreet 2009-05-25
Very convincing. Cap and trade is too complex and will probably not be worth the money we spend administering it. Let's just force the states to tax the coal industry and use the revenues to subsidize windmill factories in those same states. |
TranscriptUS to crack down on emissions?
Producer: Jesse Freeston
JESSE FREESTON, TRNN (VOICEOVER): As reports of vanishing multi-year ice in the Arctic return to the news, the US Congress is in the midst of constructing its attempt at a comprehensive environmental policy. At the center of the debate is how to best reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Approaches have broken down into three basic categories: cap-and-trade emission credits markets, carbon taxes, and straight-up regulation of carbon pollution. And while experts and advocates outside the walls of Congress have been calling for varieties of all three, President Obama and leading members of the Democratic Party have put strict limits on the debate inside Congress.
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Courtesy: C-SPAN
May 13, 2009
BARACK OBAMA, US PRESIDENT: And I once again call on Congress to send me legislation that places a market-based cap on carbon pollution, which will then drive, incent, the kind of innovation and dynamic, new clean-energy economy that can create jobs and new businesses all across America. So this is—.
FREESTON: The result is the Waxman-Markey bill, a 900-plus page proposal that includes the creation of a cap-and-trade emissions credit market.
JAMES HANDLEY, CARBON TAX CENTER: The idea is to—instead of having a regulatory approach where you would tell each emitter, say each power plant or each factory or each automobile, how much to reduce, and specify even—some regulations would specify the technology—is to create some flexibility about how to do that, and set overall limits, and let the players in the system choose how to make the reductions most efficiently. So that's the basic idea of cap-and-trade. One of the problems with that is it creates volatility. Cap-and-trade is what they call a quantity-based mechanism, as opposed to a price mechanism. You can set either the quantity of emissions or the price of emissions, but since one variable depends on the other, you can't set both. So you set the quantity of emissions, and under cap-and-trade, the price fluctuates. And what we've seen in cap-and-trade systems elsewhere—they have one for SO2 emissions in the United States, and the European Union has started a cap-and-trade system—there are some pretty wild price swings in emission allowance prices.
FREESTON: Proponents of cap-and-trade claim it will give rise to technological innovation. Handley claims that the wild price behavior discourages investment and gives rise to another kind of innovation—speculative finance.
HANDLEY: It creates a secondary market where people are setting up derivatives. If you're a coal-fired power plant and you don't want to worry about the price swings in emission allowance prices, you can buy a hedging instrument, a derivative, that'll say, we're going to flatten out the price, basically. If it goes up, we're going to pay you the difference in price on some particular day in the future. So it's a way to basically buy an insurance policy. But what that means is there's another side of that transaction and there's a whole secondary market that mirrors the real market in carbon allowances. And if you kind of think about what's happened with the mortgage-backed securities in the last year, that was an example of a primary market which also had a secondary market that was actually in some ways larger, in terms of the capital involved, and unregulated, the derivatives market, that—in some ways it becomes the tail wagging the dog. The derivatives market drives the price of the of the primary market, and so you get extreme fluctuations and speculative bubbles. What the House Ways and Means Committee has been considering is skipping the whole trading aspect and just, predictably, setting a price, which people call a carbon tax, a carbon price. It's a way to gradually increase the costs of emissions, which has the same effect of cap-and-trade, of creating an incentive for reductions and an incentive for investment in alternative energy and in green energy, and an incentive for making investments in efficiency.
FREESTON: Any attempt to put a cost on carbon, either through cap-and-trade or through a carbon tax, will increase the cost of energy. But who is going to bear the brunt of that cost increase?
HANDLEY: And it's particularly a problem for low-income households, because they spend more of their income on energy than people at the high end. And the total amount is much more at the high end: the rich people fly more; they live in bigger houses; they drive less efficient and bigger automobiles. But as a percentage of income, the low-income people are hurt more.
FREESTON: Handley argues that the revenue created by a carbon tax can be used in various ways, such as dividends to the poor, to compensate for its ill effects. Cap-and-trade could also create a revenue stream by auctioning off the carbon emission allowances to the emitters, a strategy that Obama stressed during his campaign.
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Courtesy: ABC
January 5, 2008
OBAMA: I think a cap-and-trade system makes more sense. That's why I proposed it, because you can be very specific in terms of how we're going to reduce the greenhouse gases by a particular level. Now, what you have to do is you have to combine it with a 100 percent auction. In other words, every little bit of pollution that is sent up into the atmosphere, that polluter is getting charged for it. Not only does that ensure that they don't game the system, but you're also generating billions of dollars that can be invested in solar and wind and biodiesel. Under a cap-and-trade, there will be a cost. Plants are going to have to retrofit their equipment, and that's going to cost money, and they will pass it on to consumers. We have an obligation to use some of the money that we generate to shield low-income and fixed-income individuals from higher electricity prices prices.
FREESTON: Conversely, the Waxman-Markey bill would see only 15 percent of the allowances auctioned off and 85 percent of them given away for free.
HANDLEY: There was a hearing a couple of weeks ago when they were introducing the bill, and Congressman Joe Barton asked the panelists one by one—who were industry folks, you know, utilities and energy companies that were supporters of the cap-and-trade provision—he said, if you don't include in the bill, if we change the bill to eliminate free allowances, would you support this cap-and-trade proposal? And one by one the answer was no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So they're supporting it because they expect to get a piece of this allowance pie, and as you saw, 85 percent are being divvied up.
FREESTON: But what about emissions? Can cap-and-trade make a significant reduction? NASA's James Hansen, co-discover of global warming and a proponent of emission reductions since the early '80s, has stated his desire for the bill to fail, stating that any strategy that does not efficiently move the US away from dependence on coal is already a failure.
HANDLEY: If you look at CO2 emissions per unit of energy, coal is the biggest, petroleum is in the middle, natural gas is the lowest. And in terms of our total emissions, the spread is even wider. So, yes, coal has to be the target. And, well, a gradually increasing carbon tax is a way to do that, to efficiently phase out coal. Wind power is now available for roughly 15 percent more than coal is. Well if you had a carbon tax that added 5 percent a year to the price of coal electricity, in three years wind is cheaper than coal. And if you do that trajectory now—and investors know that's where it's going in three years or five years or whatever your time horizon is—the investment capital that would have gone into coal isn't going there. So that's the kind of a price signal that you need economy-wide to start making the shift away from coal. The Energy and Commerce Committee is probably the most coal-friendly committee on Capitol Hill. And the coal interests, for example, got these huge amounts of free allowances that mean the real phaseout of coal is postponed, if it happens at all out of this bill.
FREESTON: The Environmental Protection Agency, who recently declared carbon dioxide a danger to public health and welfare, has joined Obama in putting their support behind the cap-and-trade initiative.
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Courtesy: C-SPAN
May 12, 2009
LISA JACKSON, ADMINISTRATOR, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY: I have said over and over, as has the president, that we do understand that there are costs to the economy of addressing global warming emissions, and that the best way to address them is through a gradual move to a market-based program like cap-and-trade.
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FREESTON: Should the Waxman-Markey bill work as its supporters claim, annual CO2 emissions in the US wouldn't fall below 2005 labels until 2026, 17 years from now. This is a far cry from the 20 percent reduction by 2020 being called for by the UN's climate change panel. This shortfall is due in large part to a practice known as carbon offsetting. Come back for Part 2 to find out the dirt on carbon offsets.
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