In part one of our interview with Gareth Porter, Porter explains his discovery that Gen. David Petraeus, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, and other US military leaders have been applying pressure on Obama to change his plan for US withdrawal from Iraq. It appears however that Obama is standing firm on his campaign promise to withdraw all combat troops within 16 months of his inauguration. According to Porter, the military has already begun its public relations campaign to paint recent events in Iraq in their favor, meanwhile setting Obama up for the fall in the future. BioGareth Porter is a historian and investigative journalist on US foreign and military policy analyst. He writes regularly for Inter Press Service on US policy towards Iraq and Iran. Author of four books, the latest of which is Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam. Comments from Registered Members | (Register or log in to make your comment.) | mh10 2009-02-06
How many troops will be left after the "combat" troops have been withdrawn? There obviously are "non-combat" troops that will not be withdrawn. How big is the "residual force" Obama has consistently said he wants to keep in Iraq?
By the way, Obama doesn't say any more that "combat troops" will be withdrawn; he's talking now about a "draw down", whatever that may mean.
That is, of course, the second cover: the first cover was this talk about "combat" troops that will leave Iraq and a "residual" force that will stay, and now he has added an additional confusion: the troops will not be withdrawn, but there will be a "draw-down"; nobody knows exactly what this means, so the confusion continues unabated, which is of course intended.
This "fight" between Obama and the generals fits in the same pattern. | fma7 2009-02-03
This is pure hype. Obama had/has no intention of pulling all Combat troops from Iraq. Both the Generals and Obamba and the Military Generals are just playing their assigned scripts. Corporate interests/foreign policy will not let go of both the oil resources nor the geo- political positioning that is Iraq. The importance of Both Iraqi and American lives pale in comparison to these corporate interests. lives and | gegenwarst 2009-02-03
This is pure nonsense...Iraq will be under US occupation for decades to come, simply because corporate interests want to maximize their profits at the expense of the brute and ignorant American populace and President Obama represents those corporate interests…TRNN should focus on promoting a new investigation about the events of 9/11/2001 instead of posting this baloney. | gegenwarst 2009-02-03
This is pure nonsense...Iraq will be under US occupation for decades to come, simply because corporate interests want to maximise thuer profits at the expesnee of the brute and ignortn American polulace | husaini 2009-02-03
Gareth Porter is great. Very insightful analysis. It's amazing I think the way certain political interests insert a particular narrative into the media that become so widely accepted. It seems like our media rather than being truly free, gives the opportunity for those in power to dominate discourse with their narrative. All the discussion around speech, and free speech, are a lot more complicated than one might think, that's what become clear when you think about how these bogus threats and narrative are sold to the american public to justify invasion and imperial war. | 14Hertz 2009-02-03
WHY? Why are the generals so determined to stay in Iraq? Are they really very kind people underneath the rough exterior, and truly worried the welfare of Iraqi's? Are the generals in the pocket of the arms merchants and looking for their golden handshakes? Are they in on some hidden plan to control middle east oil? Or, do they just love killing folks? WHY? |
TranscriptPetraeus vs the President?
JESSE FREESTON (VOICEOVER), TRNN: In an electoral campaign that was criticized for its lack of concrete promises, one commitment that Barack Obama did make was to withdraw all US combat troops from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.
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BARACK OBAMA, US PRESIDENT: If you follow my plan to begin withdrawing troops and having our combat troops out in 16 months, we will have been there for 7 years. I think the American people understand that that has been a significant commitment, both of blood and of treasure.
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FREESTON: A recent article by Gareth Porter claims that mere hours into his presidency, Obama was visited by a contingent of military leaders led by General David Petraeus, who pressured him into backing off on his withdrawal plans. The Real News spoke to Gareth Porter about his findings.
GARETH PORTER, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST AND HISTORIAN: My article tells the story of how Obama essentially shocked General David Petraeus, the commander of Central Command, with responsibility for the entire Middle East, by telling Petraeus and Gates and the commander now in Iraq, General Odierno, that he wanted them to go ahead and give him a plan, an operational plan, to get all US combat troops out of Iraq within 16 months—what he had been saying he wanted to do since the middle of the campaign last year. This took Petraeus and Gates and Odierno by surprise, apparently, because they had been under the impression that they could roll Obama, that he was not going to stand up to them. And this really goes back to part of the story that I tell, based on Bob Woodward's book The War Within, where he quotes General Jack Keane. Keane was saying to Gates, and presumably to Petraeus as well, "Let's keep Petraeus in the region, move him from the commander in Iraq to being CENTCOM commander, replace him with Odierno, and keep these people there, so that when a Democratic administration comes in, when and if a Democratic administration comes in, it'll have to deal with Petraeus, with the huge prestige that it's assumed Petraeus has in American politics, and the Democratic president will not dare to override Petraeus's recommendation to keep the troops there.
FREESTON: This isn't the first time that Obama has gone head-to-head with Petraeus over Iraq.
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Sept. 11, 2007
Gen. David Petraeus testimony
Senate Committee on Armed Forces
OBAMA: After devoting $1 trillion, which is what this thing optimistically will end up having cost; thousands of American lives; the creation of an environment in which al-Qaeda in Iraq could operate (because it didn't exist prior to our invasion); that we have increased terrorist recruitment around the world; that Iran has been strengthened; that bin Laden and al-Qaeda are stronger than at any time since 2001; and that the process of Iraqi reconstruction and their standard of living would continue to be lower than it was pre-invasion; that if that had been the deal, I think most people would have said, "That's a bad deal. That does not make sense. That does not serve the United States' strategic interests." And so I think that some of the frustration you hear from some of the questions is that we have now set the bar so low that modest improvement, in what was a completely chaotic situation, to the point where we just have the levels of intolerable violence that existed in June of 2006 is considered success. And it's not. This continues to be a disastrous foreign policy mistake.
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PORTER: Last July, when he met with Petraeus in Baghdad, when he traveled there during the campaign, told Petraeus, you know, he heard him out, he heard his arguments that he should let the troops remain much longer than the 16 months, but he said, "Look, that's your job, to keep the troops there as long as possible. My job as president is to take a broader strategic viewpoint, and I'm going to say, 'I'm going to take a different view, that we need to pull those troops out within 16 months.'"
FREESTON: So now that Obama is in the Oval Office and following through on his promise, and in doing so, opposing the will of the military leadership, how is the military going to react to this?
PORTER: The second part of the story is—and the real important part of the story is that the military is not going to take that passively. What I have learned is that a number of generals, senior generals, retired and active duty, are now talking about how they can seed the storyline in the US media that Obama's policy of 16-month withdrawal is too risky, that it will cause a collapse in Iraq, that the stability that they say that they have achieved there will be lost, and that it will be Obama's fault. That's the line that they are going to start feeding the people who cover the Pentagon in the media. And that was foreshadowed when Jack Keane appeared on the Lehrer NewsHour the very night of that meeting in the White House, January 21, the day after Obama was inaugurated, when he made that very argument that it's too risky, it's going to risk the political stability that we have achieved in Iraq with the US occupation.
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NewsHour with Jim Lehrer
January 21, 2009
JACK KEANE, RETIRED GENERAL, US ARMY: Given the hard-fought gains that we have made in Iraq over a strategy that was failing for three years, and a very dramatic turnaround in 18 months, and now we have an Arab Muslim state that elects its government and is allied with the United States, it wants a political relationship with us and not the Iranians in terms of being an ally, that is a major plus for us. No one wants to squander those gains. And that would be their concern. And force reduction is certainly an issue that's on the table that they have concern about.
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PORTER: They have created this narrative, as many of us know very well, that Petraeus's strategy and the surge in troops basically achieved this wonderful victory in Iraq by quieting things in the Sunni provinces and essentially defeating the Shiite militiamen loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr, whereas in fact we know that what really happened was it was the Iranians who intervened with the Shiites, with Muqtada al-Sadr, to convince him to stand down so that they could avoid civil war in Iraq between one Shiite group and another Shiite group, and protect their main interest, which is to stabilize the regime of al-Maliki, which is their ally in Baghdad. So it's a false narrative, but they want to make sure that that is the narrative that will survive. But because of Obama's policy now, what they want to do is to make the argument that Obama will be to blame after the troops come out, and inevitably there will be stories coming out about the Iraqi government is leaning towards Iran, and there will be new fighting between Shiites and Sunnis, inevitably.
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