I'm glad that Palin is open to Muslims, and other faith based American Citizens into the Republican Party - thats a start.
Yesman 2008-10-29
Conservative means bible believer??? I wonder if buddy no's Karl Rove is a Atheist.
jonram 2008-10-27
Interesting tbarj. It's as if you were talking about Nazi Germany (though the same can apply to the dark ages I think) which executed a massive propaganda campaign to win the loyalty and cooperation of Germans. This web site http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/propag.htm explains that "Schools also played an important role in spreading Nazi ideas. While some books were removed from classrooms by censors, other textbooks, newly written, were brought in to teach students blind obedience to the party, love for Hitler, and antisemitism." I guess this effective small group learned well from Joseph Goebbels, hehe.
tbarj 2008-10-26
Talk to Action blog now has a media page where videos and articles about the Christian Right are available for those attempting to get a handle on religious bigotry in America. Check it out:
http://www.talk2action.org/media_room
tbarj 2008-10-26
Stupidity is the result of indoctrination in bigotry by schools and churches. As it becomes more difficult to hold on to unearned privileges that resulted from racism, the aristocracy in America welcomed and manipulated the most ignorant in our society to threaten proponents of equality. While those willing to engage in religiously-motivated malicious harassment of others for political purposes is numerically small, they are disproportionally effective because violence works. Were progressive philanthropists to fund pro-democracy organizers anywhere near to the extent that the anti-democratic movement in America is funded, you would see a very different country.
jonram 2008-10-26
What strikes me and makes me sad is to see how these groups can be more influential than smart people with common sense. Can anyone here please tell me why stupidity prevails over intelligence most of the time?
otrovagomas 2008-10-26
AB80, Atheists are not responsible for the Spanish Civil War, nor the Mexican Revolution. BTW, anti-clericalism is not an atheistic exclusive. But that is beside the point. Religion and State are to be separated, lest we reignite the religious wars of centuries past. Wars that are waged first and foremost upon the citizens of the nations themselves. Wars that the European settlers of North America fled, and now their heirs seemingly seek to reenact on the New World. As I commented before: how fit to see that history comes full circle; how sad we never learn from past mistakes.
AB80 2008-10-26
Atheists can be dangerous too (see Spain, Mexico in 1930's). The issue here is that people should tolerate each other's religion or lack of religion. So you would fall in the fundamentalists' camp of stereotyping/prejudice by blaming everything on Christians.
trojansoul 2008-10-25
Last 8 years!? Lol, how about since it's inception. Nonetheless, the issue is not Christianity, it's people period. Clinging to our ideologies as Truth only leads to teaching others things they never had a chance to refute or validate for themselves. Of course the world it flat! "That's the way it is"
Why the heck would "God" care about our President? Or weather he's Muslim or Atheist? And woe to those that can presume to even fathom any thought of any "higher power" whatever for that may be. Whether it's Jesus or God or Allah or some Quantum feeling of right or wrong. We are all children; when you kill your brother you kill yourself. Simple.
DavidStephen 2008-10-25
Christians are dangerous. Look at what they've done in the last 8 years.
khatsuf 2008-10-25
There's a big divide between the GOP and some of its constituency, usually in more rural places. They're going to be careful not to alienate this constituency, no matter how preposterous it is.
matilda3663 2008-10-25
this peoples calls themselfs "christians"?but this are not christians,because i know that there are not written down in the bible,to be against black people!!what kind of bible is this?special edition-only print and sell in america???-and they don't tolerate other religions?-something is wrong with this people.in germany we have also,a lot of "christians" like this people ,they say the same ,they do the same,...- we calling them nazis!..and they are all in right wings parties,too-i feel sorry for america!!!
trojansoul 2008-10-25
What's sad and ridiculous is that Jesus is the most quoted Prophet in the Quaran. How can the two faiths be "180 degrees opposite without question"
Dr. Wayne 2008-10-25
I watch what some of the American public is saying, particularly Republicans, and I simply cannot get over how ignorant, narrow minded, and just plain stupid some of these people are. Is it any wonder your country is in the state it is in with such ill-informed people spreading ignorance from shore to shore ... God, Allah, whoever, help you all.
crazed_hound 2008-10-25
Seems like a mass disconnect from reality. I hope there is not too many people out there like the guy wearing the tshirt with the checklist who said conservative = bible believer. Fearful people like that are scary and dangerous in my book.
Cassador.Christopher 2008-10-25
The conservative christian right are such hypocrites. All this "pro-life" and "Jesus loves you" combined with "hate muslims" "hate black people" and "pro-war"...
tbarj 2008-10-25
America and all the former English colonies are coming to terms with racism and religious imperialism in the past and present. Some of us have embraced multiculturalism, some are holding on to white Christian privileges purchased by violence. This video about the real Sarah Palin clears all that up. http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/20/13042/410/Front_Page/Palin_Anointer_Muthee_Fights_Catholics_Witches_amp_quot_Python_Spirits_quot_
Overlord 2008-10-25
I feel so sorry for these people..
panpiper 2008-10-25
I was going to say the same thing otrovagomas, but you beat me to it.
otrovagomas 2008-10-25
"Conservative simply means Bible-believer"???? WHOAAA!!! That is some definition. I never thought that Religion meant "Christianity Only." So much for freedom of religion in the USofA, or for separation of Church and State. Funny how the circle closes on itself: a nation founded by people fleeing religious prosecution now leaning towards absolute intolerance for any other religion, and to government ruled chiefly by faith. Vive la République !
Transcript
Sarah Palin: GOP Welcomes All Muslims
By Davin Hutchins & Lagan Sebert
REPORTER: If Sarah Palin or John McCain talked about trying to court, you know, Muslim voters more, do you think that's not the direction you think the Republican Party should go right now?
MCCAIN SUPPORTER: Well, they have to court everybody, but what's news? I mean, Obama has—read, go online, look at The Obama Nation. You know, I mean, we're not stupid. Listen to Sean Hannity.
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RADIO SHOW HOST: So just know that everybody is praying for you. You know, you all are apparently still behind, and some say significantly. Does that discourage you?
GOV. SARAH PALIN (R-AK), VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: —at the end of the day, putting this in God's hands, that the right thing for America will be done at the end of the day on November 4.
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REPORTER: We're on the road in Pennsylvania and Ohio right now, going to political rallies to see what's on voters' minds in these crucial swing states. At the GOP rallies we've attended, one thing that keeps coming up is religion, specifically Republican attitudes towards Muslims and Islam in America.
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Mulsim McCain Fans Confront Intolerance At Rally
By Davin Hutchins & Lagan Sebert
REPORTER: And you just said Obama is a socialist with—.
LEAFLETER: Socialist with Islamic background.
VOICEOVER: A few days ago, ANP filed a report on Daniel Zubairi, a Muslim McCain campaigner in Virginia who helped silence a man selling bumper stickers that insulted Islam.
DANIEL ZUBAIRI, MCCAIN CAMPAIGN CHAIR: I'm with the campaign, and we don't endorse that behavior. So—.
REPORTER: You don't endorse this man's behavior?
ZUBAIRI: No.
REPORTER: The McCain campaign doesn't endorse your behavior, sir.
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VOICEOVER: CNN's Rick Sanchez picked up on the story, inviting Zubairi on his show.
RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: —correct. He's not being allowed to talk to us because the McCain camp won't let him do so. Hopefully, he'll change his mind and he'll be able to come on and talk to us about what I think most people would view as heroic behavior on his part.
VOICEOVER: In a 2007 interview with Beliefnet, McCain said he would prefer a Christian president over a Muslim president. Since then, McCain has largely steered clear of the Muslim issue, but the Republican base has not.
Sarah Palin Rally - Troy, Ohio
MCCAIN SUPPORTER: Well, I don't think you should discriminate on the basis of religion, but don't ask me too much about Muslims.
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MCCAIN SUPPORTER: Without question, this is a Christian nation that has fallen.
REPORTER: And you think that the Muslim theology and Christianity inherently contradict each other.
MCCAIN SUPPORTER: Oh, without question. The Bible says there's one way to Heaven: Jesus Christ. He's the way of the truth and the life. That's the way it is. And the Christian faith and the Muslim faith are 180 degrees opposite, without question.
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MCCAIN SUPPORTER: They're going to take our freedom of religion away, which is what they're going to do, take our freedom of religion away if Obama gets in, because he's a Muslim.
NBC's Meet The Press - Colin Powell Endorses Obama
COLIN POWELL, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm also troubled by not what Senator McCain says but what members of the party say—and it is permitted to be said—such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is: he is not a Muslim; he's a Christian; he's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is: What if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer is no. That's not America.
CNN's Campbell Brown
CAMPBELL BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: So what if Obama was Arab or Muslim? So what if John McCain was Arab or Muslim? Would it matter? When did that become a disqualifier for higher office in our country?
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VOICEOVER: So how does the McCain campaign really feel about Muslims? Well, the clearest answer is coming from a surprising source, the straight-talker herself.
REPORTER: Do you think the Republican Party should embrace the party's Muslims?
PALIN: Our party's what?
REPORTER: Muslims. Do you think the Republican Party should embrace its own Muslims?
PALIN: We're not going to discriminate against a person's religion at all. No, that is not appropriate and not acceptable, in my book, to discriminate.
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VOICEOVER: Palin is now on record: religious discrimination is wrong, and Muslims are welcome in the Republican Party. How Palin's conservative Christian base will interpret those remarks and whether there will be a backlash in the last days of the campaign is anyone's guess.
REPORTER: What would you say to someone who says that the Republican Party should be courting Muslim voters?
MCCAIN SUPPORTER: Maybe the dark-room strategists believe that you've got to do whatever you have to do to get elected. But "conservative" simply means Bible believer, and if you have to compromise your principles to get a vote, it's not worth it.
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